Time For "which Would You Buy?"

[Peanut]

Howdy folks,

 

My wife is wanting to purchase a new AEG for CQB (Mainly IIA) and has given herself a price range between $150-$200. She has the ok from me to buy whatever she wants (As if the money decisions are up to me anyway). She is giving herself this price range based off the number of times she actually gets to play, which is respectable. She knows she wants something smaller than a M4 model weapon as her primary because her experience with my KWA KM4 SR10. After doing a little research of brands and weapons I have came across these 3 different models/brands I feel would be suitable for her. I, personally, have never shot any of the following products and wanted your guys' feedback and opinions on "the best" marker in the respective price range. If you had to use one of these in a CQB environment, which would you choose? Here we go.

 

First up is the..

S&T/ H&K UMP 45

 

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/5194-HK-2275001-H-And-K-S-And-T-UMP-45-Competition-Series-Airsoft-Full-Metal-Gearbox-AEG-CQB-Submachine-Gun-SMG-w-Fully-Licensed-Trademarks-by-Umarex-BLACK.aspx

 

 

Second choice is the..

JG M5 TaskForce-6

 

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/1779-GUN-CUSTOM-73-400-FPS-CUSTOM-JG-M5-TaskForce-6-AEG-Rifle-w-Metal-Gearbox-NEW-ENHANCED-PRODUCTION-RUN-MODEL.aspx

 

 

Last choice is the..

CYMA M5-A4

 

http://www.airsoftmegastore.com/1268-CYMA-CM041B-CYMA-Full-Metal-M5-A4-RAS-AEG-Rifle-CM041B-Full-Stock-Enhanced-Production-Run-Model.aspx

 

 

 

Any opinions will be much appreciated. Also, if you have another model in mind in this range, please feel free to suggest it to me! I will be buying one in the next several days so that my wife will have it by my next weekend of IIA. Im just really excited for her to play !!!

[hrturner]

Frankly, none of them are good choices for the money. For an extra 50-60 bucks you could get a CA, ICS, or TM version of any of those guns.

[Peanut]

Yeah I know! Like I said, I told the wife she could spend more but she set on something in this range.

 

I may just buy her something better anyways and just not tel her lol.

[starblade54]

Cyma AKs-74u. Small, cheap, and good. Everything you need.

 

I also HIGHLY recommend not buying from AirsoftMegastore, they are highly overpriced. Buy from evike or airsoftgi here in the states and use a coupon code. Hell with their 20% off codes you could get the more expensive but nicer guns and stay in your price range.

Edited April 18, 2013 by starblade54

[PELI]

50 has a E1 MP5 that is pretty much brand new he is selling

[Peanut]

Thank you for the info guys.

 

@PELI - Thanks for the lead. Unfortunately, my wife wants to crack open a box of her own so I won't be looking at any of the classified listings at the moment.

 

@hrturner - I think I'm going to go with your suggestion and just spend a little bit more on a classic army P90 for $230.

 

@starblaze54 - I had no clue they were having a 20% off sale right now! Thanks man! This will let me stick in the price range my wife was wanting.

 

Again, thanks for your help/support. It truly is appreciated!

[Smoke]

Cyma AKs-74u. Small, cheap, and good. Everything you need.

 

I can second this opinion. I've had my CYMA AKS74u (CM035A) for almost a year now, and it's been nothing but great. I've heard their other platforms aren't good, but CYMA's AKs seem to be getting much better.

[50 INCH NECK]

Mine has had less than 300 rounds fired through it. Comes with 9 mags, Quad Rails, Wired to Deans, Vertical Front Grip, Quick Release Removable flash hider, and a 8.4 V battery

 

 

[Moo]

I have a final suggestion.

 

http://www.crazycromags.com/javelin-warrior-m4-cqb-fde-jegp054.html

 

I've actually had a chance to crack one of these open and I was fairly impressed. The trigger is actually a micro switch so you won't have to worry about frying contacts if you have to spam semi-auto fire. It's a really compact gun coming in at just under 23 inches and it's an AR platform so mag and attachment options aplenty. They chrono around 340 with .2s and clip along at about 16rps with a 9.6v.

[-Rogue-]

Agree with turner. None of the above!

[hrturner]

@PELI - Thanks for the lead. Unfortunately, my wife wants to crack open a box of her own so I won't be looking at any of the classified listings at the moment.

 

Just because its used doesn't mean she cant open her own gearbox? Opening any new gearbox voids the warranty plus the money you save with all the extra's you'll get is well justified.

 

@hrturner - I think I'm going to go with your suggestion and just spend a little bit more on a classic army P90 for $230.

 

While not a huge fan of the P90 at all, if you are going to get one get the TM. You WONT be disappointed.

[starblade54]

While not a huge fan of the P90 at all, if you are going to get one get the TM. You WONT be disappointed.

 

definitely agree, or look into the proline KA P90; which has the nylon fiber body and trades, vs the plastic of a TM.

[Peanut]

Just because its used doesn't mean she cant open her own gearbox? Opening any new gearbox voids the warranty plus the money you save with all the extra's you'll get is well justified.

 

I was referring to a new box as in brand new. Sorry for the confusion. I was looking at evikes website and they do not have the TM P90. Thats why I didnt even mention it. I found that airsoftgi.com has it and are competing with evike.com by offering 20.5% off each sale rather than evike's 20% haha.

 

So, hrturner, it appears you don't like any of the models I have described. While that is perfectly fine, and the entire reason why I created this thread, what model would you personally want as your primary in a CQB environment. Avoiding larger model weapons of course because of my wife's size.

 

Thanks in advance.

[hrturner]

I was referring to a new box as in brand new. Sorry for the confusion. I was looking at evikes website and they do not have the TM P90. Thats why I didnt even mention it. I found that airsoftgi.com has it and are competing with evike.com by offering 20.5% off each sale rather than evike's 20% haha.

 

Ah mis-understood what you meant by "open up her own".

 

So, hrturner, it appears you don't like any of the models I have described. While that is perfectly fine, and the entire reason why I created this thread, what model would you personally want as your primary in a CQB environment. Avoiding larger model weapons of course because of my wife's size.

 

Its not the models (except the P90, ergonomics being the issue for me) it's the brands. The brands listed make less than quality weapons. While CA is a great brand, the comparision of P90's, the Tokyo Marui P90 is superior. That's all I was getting at. As for my kit. An M60 primary if entering buildings, a KJW M92 or KJW Glock 23 are the go to weapons. If the game allows no FA, traditionally an ICS M4 was used but recently switched to a Systema PTW.

[targetpractice]

Hi Peanut,

 

Sorry for the late chime-in. I tend to approach AEG purchases like I buy bicycles - buy the best possible quality one you can get, factoring usage. For me, that means I would spend the extra $500-$1000 to get a $1500 carbon fiber/aluminum bike, instead of say, a $5000-$6000 all-carbon bike that is maintenance intensive and more along the lines of the hardcore riders. That way, if I don't get to ride this season (like last year), I don't have a $5000 bike collecting dust, but when I do ride, I have a good quality bike that's better than the $600 starter bike. In this case, spend the extra $50-$100 to get a CA/ICS/TM model. I hear Echo1's newer stuff is better quality too and good value for money, but do your research as I have no experience with that brand. Better brands are also easier to unload should you decide to sell it off, and maintain their value better.

 

With that in mind, I tend to look at ICS stuff as the price is pretty reasonable and they're easy to maintain (split gearboxes make spring changes a snap). I also tend to look towards parts commonality. If you have an SR-10, why not get something that uses STANAG magazines? That way you won't need to buy a whole new range of magazines. I currently have the ICS G33 and a CXP-16 is on its way to me, and just having the same magazines saves me $12 per magazine. M4 magazines are also the most common AEG magazines out there so you'll have plenty of choices in terms of brand, quality and capacity.

 

ICS also tends to make two of each model - the Proline (typically all metal) and the Sportline (all polymer). The Sportlines tend to be $70-$100 less with a slightly slower motor but if you're not worried about rate of fire it's not an issue. The Proline stuff tends to shoot hot out of the box anyway, so some teching is required to bring it down to legal limits, but the Sportline stuff is good out of the box. You can get a wide variety of M4s with different lengths and stock configurations in the Sportline series for less than $200.

 

Good luck!

Edited April 19, 2013 by targetpractice

[Endgame]

I have to agree 100% with what Targetpractice said.. My ICS guns are workhorses, my oldest being over 8 years old and still working fine.

The Prolines (the newer ones) do fire a little hot out of the box. Mine was 426fps using .20g bbs. Nice thing about their M4 series guns is that the upper gearboxes can be swapped in seconds.

 

If you are going to spend money, tack a bit more onto it so you wouldn't have to buy again in the near future.

 

Here's a start: http://www.icsbb.com/2013catalog

I'm sure there's something there that your wife would love.

[targetpractice]

By the way, is your wife short or something? I get the impression she's short for some reason.

[Peanut]

By the way, is your wife short or something? I get the impression she's short for some reason.

 

lol yeah my wife is somewhat short I guess. She is just small in all aspects. She held my M4 for like 5 minutes and said it made her arms hurt. My M4 is all metal, however. She just specifically wants a smaller weapon for the CQC format.

[targetpractice]

Ah. In that case, may I recommend (based on my purchase philosophy)...

 

Sub $200, plastic body:

 

http://www.commandai...ct-p/ics-43.htm

 

http://www.commandai...G-p/ics-148.htm

 

http://www.commandai...t-p/ics-144.htm

 

http://www.commandai...ct-p/ics-48.htm

 

http://www.commandai...ct-p/ics-29.htm - metal upper and lower - super short!

 

Under $250 (aka man up and spend the extra $50, fool!)

 

http://www.commandai...46.htm��(pretty darn short with a stock)

 

http://www.commandai...ct-p/ics-47.htm

 

http://www.commandai...27.htm��(pretty darn short, with a folding stock - just )

 

http://www.commandai...t-p/ics-120.htm (metal upper and lower)

 

 

Now, if she's dead set on using it for CQB, I highly recommend the ICS M4 CQB (http://www.commandai...ct-p/ics-27.htm) - the full metal version is $18 more than the plastic version, which is pretty much a freebie (if you bought the metal uppers and lowers separately you're looking at about $160). I do believe it comes with a separate PEQ battery box which also includes a working, remote laser as well. There's a pretty good review of it here:

 

http://www.tkoverkil...read.php?tid=40

 

To me this package offers excellent value for money considering that you get a compact, versatile AEG from a company with a solid reputation for building quality stuff, and in a sturdy, metal body to boot!

 

No, I do not work for ICS or Command Airsoft. CAT just happens to be an easy place to buy ICS guns from. I did buy my G33 off them, but that's the only AEG I've ever bought off them (that's a good one too).

Edited April 19, 2013 by targetpractice

[starblade54]

in the spirit of TP's post, i would suggest looking on ASGI, they have a lot of those same ICS guns in stock and you also get the 20% off (yeah i know its 20.5, but seriously that .5% is not gonna do a lot lol).

 

if you ARE going to spend the $50-100 more i would HIGHLY recommend her looking at VFC. you will get a SUPER lightweight metal body (seriously, i can one hand my Scar-H SSR and that thing is longer than an M16), as well as great quality. if she is looking for a specific model or style more descriptive than "short and light" ill be glad to use my google-foo and help out.

[SASQUATCH]

I second star on VFC. Their "E" series is nice for a lower price.

 

Also, SOCOM Gear is a newer lesser known company. I just got their Daniel Defense MFR

9 AEG. They're OEM'd by VFC, and SOCOM Gear is actually owned by MadBull. Now, you'll pay about the same amount for a SOCOM Gear as you would for a VFC so the price is pretty comparable and both make great rifles.

[Peanut]

Our work schedules have been so busy that we really haven't got a chance to sit down and actually go over specific models. Thats why I keep taking everyone's suggestions and writing them down. I know that she was looking for something compact, something along the line of an MP5, MP7, P90, UMP/UMG. Basically anything that does not resemble an M4, is tight to the body and easy to maneuver.

 

@targetpractice - Thank you for all the hyperlinks. The only model in the line up that you have given me that has any chance of making it past the inital look over from my wife would be the ICS CQB M4.

[starblade54]

i vote this one. i owned one at one point in time, its a great gun, not to heavy shoots great, and its not an M4 so she will like it. http://www.commandairsoft.com/product-p/ics-52.htm

[CStahl]

I have 2 TM P90's and recently used one at the noob day for the first time, and will say its not quite as comfortable as I first thought it would be. The grip is much more angular than an AR pistol grip and got quite uncomfortable after a day of play. I probably just need to get used to it though. If you are looking for a P90 just note it's hard to find parts, magazines are not cheap, you can't hold a lot of magazines on your person, and battery space is small so lipo or small NIMH or NICAD are required. However on that note the TM P90 is a very high quality weapon and i would recommend it over any other brand of P90.

 

I would personally recommend a AR platform do to the fact that it is much more universal in every aspect. Just remember you get what you pay for!

[Peanut]

My wife just sent me this link on her lunch no more than 20 minutes ago.

 

http://www.evike.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_672_700&products_id=37001

 

She seemed to like the weapon very much. She commented on the fact that it looks the right size for her. I like it far more than the other models she's looked at.

 

As for the many AR/M4 platform suggestions (which are appreciated), she just doesn't want something of that nature. She wants something small such as the previous models listed. I'll probably just buy this one to be done with it. Unless anyone has any further suggestions this will probably be it. She may play with me on the 27th so I need to order this thing (or something) tonight or tomorrow morning.