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First off lets not get political or defensive. These are great safety rules that IAC has gathered from certified firearms instructors, law enforcement officals, and firearms experts. Thanks to Chris Gresham of celiville pd, A.J., and Molina Huffman of project appleseed, and David Guardner.

IAC SAFETY RULES for airsoft and RS.

 

Safe weapon:

1. mags out

2. bolt/slide back (gbb pistols rifles and gas powered shotgun)

3. safety on

4. flags in (Modified rs chamber flag for gbb and gas powered guns)

5. weapon grounded

6. no one touching.

 

Range (Shooting competition) safety rules:

1. keep your weapon unloaded and safety on till ready and given permission to load weapon(s)

2. keep finger off trigger till sights are on intended target(s)

3. keep eyes open for animals or people that may wonder onto the range.

4. make sure everyone around you follows the safety rules.

 

Storage safety:

1. Keep weapon(s) unloaded and pointed in a safe direction. 

2. keep weapon(s) out of reach of children.

3. keep the weapon's safety engaged.

4. keep ammunition at least 2 movements away from a firearm.

 

ISP suggested transportation of rs AND airsoft firearms:

1. Firearm unloaded and in display. (Bolt back, chamber flag or cbi, safety on, magazines and ammunition away from firearm.)

2. If possible have firearm in a locked case, with mags and ammunition no where near the firearm.

3. Firearm is atleast 4 movements away from driver and any passengers.

Credit to ISP trooper T. Parks.

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.....seriously?

 

You start a new organiztion, proceed to use it to insult AI site staff and senior members, and then come back here to post this for some recognition?

 

You really think we are ignorant enough to not understand these concepts already? Half of the above "rules" do not pertain to airsoft at all, they are not the same as real firearms.

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Sir I assure you I mean no harm or insult. 1.I did not find posts like this. 2. Airsoft even though is not lethal, should still be treated as if it was a rs firearm. 3. When police make suggestions for Airsoft its a good idea to follow through with said suggestions.

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Drop the formalities and stop playing coy with me kid, it's a bit insulting.

 

They do realize we shoot these at other human beings, correct? What experience do these officers have with airsoft equipment? No mention of orange tips? The simple relevant rules regarding airsoft are common sense, anything else is covered in a players first safety breifing at a game. This isn't rocket science.

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We do a pretty good job of reaching out to younger and newer players, taking them to games, and giving them the proper training they need to safely have fun. You would know that if you actually got involved with the community, rather than looking through the window and making bold claims.

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First off lets not get political or defensive. These are great safety rules that IAC has gathered from certified firearms instructors, law enforcement officals, and firearms experts. Thanks to Chris Gresham of celiville pd, A.J., and Molina Huffman of project appleseed, and David Guardner.

IAC SAFETY RULES for airsoft and RS.

 

herp derp flurpy herp

 

 

 

 

Here we go.

 

NO SHIT SHERLOCK.

 

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Moderators, I apologize if I have crossed a line. Speaking my mind here.

 

 

Personal insults removed. -S_Z

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The fact that you came on and tried to dictate a ruleset to people who have been doing this for YEARS is insulting.

 

You have to give us more credit than this.  Not one person in my memory and time with IAA and Airsoft Indiana has been in trouble with Law Enforcement due to carelessness with their weapons.

 

I can tell you from my own experiences, I don't do a majority of the things that were listed and I've been fine.  I keep my gun bag right next to my magazines, either in my trunk or in my backseat.  If I needed to grab my guns, it would take less than 4 movements to get them.  We point our guns at each other all the time.  It's called playing the game.

 

Any EO or random joe blow with a brain in his head is going to hand out rules that cover safety and behavior prior to the game.  In most cases, they'll let you know days or weeks in advance.  You don't follow the rules, you are removed from the situation.  Simple.

 

And for the record, we don't demand that anyone adhere to any ruleset.  We ask that people use common sense and good judgement when playing airsoft.

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Here we go.

 

NO SHIT SHERLOCK.

 

 

Personal insults removed. -S_Z

 

Are you mad, bro? Everything you said was over the top and absolutely not necessary. We're all old enough here to make mature and constructive arguments without being this bold.

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1.) Cops don't know shit about, and do not care about airsoft.  If something silhouettes a weapon and you present yourself as an aggressor as perceived by an LEO, they will shoot you and kill you.
2.) Airsoft operates a simulation of combat, and engaging other human beings with lethal force.  That is the point of the simulation.  The above suggested rules do not apply towards maintaining ones self in a combat ready posture.
3.) Every event I have ever been to, has a safety primer that must be read and if not physically, electronically signed before moving onto the field, stating that you accept and understand how to conduct yourself in a staging area and those not within the AO.  I.E. mags out and no shooting in the staging area.  That quite literally is all that is needed.
4.) The whole flags and actions and bolts back thing.  I don't know what your experience with an AEG is, but most of them, there is no place or way to secure the bolt/action back, and if you did/do, all you have then is a hop up chamber, and no place to 'lock' the gun out.

My credentials, are, having regularly attend Milsim Ops since 2005, including about a dozen LC series events, and events in seven  states.
 

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1. T. parks is a personal friend and I consider him part of my family. he has played airsoft since he was 15 and used airsoft in law enforcement training as well as other event.

2. the reason that there is no mention of brightly colored tips is because they are not required by law unless in transport to and from a manufacture or retail establishment.

3. all of these people have experience with airsoft firearms.

4. You all have a wide variety of opinions and I am thankful you have showed them.

5. S_z I've been to many events none where I have seen you at. Im okay with your opinion but you need the facts and not just what some have said.

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Im okay with your opinion but you need the facts and not just what some have said.

THIS is why everyone here is criticizing this thread and besides, all of the other herp-a-derp that you've been involved with recently isn't helping.

 

The thing is, a lot of these people here (if not all of them) have played airsoft for a long time; some of them have been playing BEFORE I WAS BORN, meaning that they have enough experience to know what the rules are with airsoft and how to handle their weapons. They don't have to be taught by "the Jesus of Airsoft" like yourself.

Also, most of these rules just go for real steel weapons (I.E. like Harvest said with locking back the bolts on airsoft guns, all you see is the hop-up). 

 

Moral of the story here: Don't come into a place where you barely know the people/experience and try to bash them and teach them the rules that they already know.

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Hi Killroy,

I've tried to stay out of this as I've felt this is largely none of my business, and because most of what needed to be said had already been said, but with your last statement I'll need to chip in here.

 

 

 1. T. parks is a personal friend and I consider him part of my family. he has played airsoft since he was 15 and used airsoft in law enforcement training as well as other event.

 

 

That's all fine and good, and I'm sure he's a good person, but once again you copied a firearm rule over wholesale without factoring in that a fair amount of it is not applicable.  We already go mags out when not in-game.  We already don't point at each other when not in-game.  We work hard at self-policing and reminding each other when we forget.  We've haven't gotten in trouble with the law because we take pains to ensure that we are not a threat to the community. 

 

2. the reason that there is no mention of brightly colored tips is because they are not required by law unless in transport to and from a manufacture or retail establishment.

 

I'll give you that one.  But I also assumed that if someone else saw my airsoft gun, they would not be spending an extra few moments to stare to see if I had an orange tip.  If that were the case, I'd paint all my real guns with orange tips so the bad guys think I'm harmless.  That's why I do not brandish my guns, airsoft or otherwise, needlessly and only when in an environment where I'm not likely to scare someone and case a potentially dangerous scene.  I already keep my airsoft guns in the trunk, by the way.  I don't advertise that I have anything that resembles a gun.  That's just common sense.

 

3. all of these people have experience with airsoft firearms.

 

So do we.  Many of us also have experience with real firearms, both in military and civilian life as do the people you cite.  This statement insinuates that we don't know how to handle airsoft or real firearms.  There are some people that I will not trust with an airsoft firearm either, but the overwhelming majority of people on this forum know what they're doing.  I've also almost had my head blown off by someone in my platoon because he was careless with this rifle, and once again at a firing range by a civilian.  So yes, I do know firearm safety first-hand.

 

4. You all have a wide variety of opinions and I am thankful you have showed them.

 

 

But nevertheless, you decided to beat a dead horse and also did not take our feedback into account (though you can freely ignore Ace's). 

 

5. S_z I've been to many events none where I have seen you at. Im okay with your opinion but you need the facts and not just what some have said.

 

 

This is the one that I really take offense at.  SZ's been at the airsoft scene for a very long time - longer than you have.  So has Harvest, and Turner, and several other guys here.  He's also worked the organizational scene for a long time.  People defer to his experience.  I understand that he can be hardheaded at times but that comes with knowing what worked and what didn't.  If I give him my data, and he says it's not going to work, it's not going to work.

 

Additionally, while you've pointed out that he had not appeared in many games, we haven't seen you around much either - I've been around for since November of 2012, but I am willing to bet that I've attended more events than you have.  Game attendance doesn't make for tenure (for lack of a better term) in this community, participation does.  And even then, I run ideas by the more senior guys here to find out if this has already been done, or if we could bounce some ideas about. 

 

The reason you're being taken to task here is not because we're jealous you've thought of it first - personally, it's an idea that has good intentions, but it's still a bad idea, and you ignored feedback of people who've looked into this before.  You've also waded in to a community that many would acknowledge you've been around quite a while for, yet had had very little participation in aside from attending games and buying items.  You've also tried to take over the marketing and promotion of this community single-highhandedly, without the knowledge or permission from the senior members of this forum, and assuming that you knew better than the community at large. 

 

I'm not saying that your attempts to help are invalid - but as with any organization, in order to be in a position to make demands that would affect the community as a whole, you need to be in a position to leverage authority and respect.  Most would start by contributing in small ways, as suggested by others.  Show up and participate in non-airsoft events.  Be more active in the forum.  Get to know others and others to know you.  At games, don't just show up, ask if you can help out EOs in any small way.  When you've gained the respect and trust of the community, then work with the senior staff on a project.  You'll get a lot more traction that way.  In short, have a little humility in this community (and any, for that matter).

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I actually have facts.  I actually have experience within Law Enforcement, and I work very closely with Law Enforcement on a regular basis.

I feel like what I heard you say is this;

"THESE ARE THE WAYS WE ARE GOING TO DO THINGS NOW BECAUSE I SAID, BECAUSE I KNOW A POLICEMAN, AND BECAUSE I KNOW A POLICEMAN YOU GUYS HAVE TO DO WHAT I SAID ON THE INTERNET WHEN I HAVE NO IDEA OF FUCK-ALL HOW AIRSOFT WORKS IN THE GREATER WORLD OUT THERE."

There is not a single airsoft association or institution that uses your proposed rules, at least, to the best of my functional knowledge there is not.

So if you think you are getting some push back, you are, you most certainly are.

And here are the facts as to why you are, since we are on a fact finding mission today:

1.)A big chunk of us have actual firearms experience.
2.)A portion of that chunk, have a lot of firearms experience.
3.)Several of us that have, to this point, kindly tried to educate you and slow your roll, have been playing airsoft since you thought girls had cooties and your mother still gave you lunch money.  I promise you, we are in fact, the voice of experience.
4.)We know how airsofters are, have been, and will continue to be conducting themselves.  This includes at installations such as Fort Knox.  Like, where Spec War goes to train.  They let us play with our BB guns there.  That means we know how to function them.

Please, stop trying to shove rhetoric down our throats.  That is not the way to be a part of this community, especially being a relatively unknown individual.

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Word of advice, think twice, post once. Oh, and attempting to instruct "Vets" without first asking if they want it, normally doesn't go over well. Although we all share info, we also know how to respect others ways and keep to ourselves. What you originally posted isn't bad, but next time don't push it on the community like it needs to be adopted.

 

Good luck........

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Is there room in airsoft for safety? Absolutely, but creating a new organization to pompously advertise your new grandiose "promotion" to another organization is not the way to go about this task.

 

You appear to have some horrible skewed misconception about this community. This community has time and time again shown a great fortitude towards gun safety without the need for a standardized ruleset (which goes against much of what this place believes). Can count numerous times where individuals have self policed one another and guided others to also practice proper gun safety (Rogue, TP, S_Z, Dragon, etc are all individuals who have time and time again advised individuals about proper gun etiquette while using airsoft weapons). The only issues I can personally recall, are issues related to an individual inappropriately using pyrotechnics, thunder b's, etc in safe/out of play areas.

 

Killroy, you spend lots of time lurking the board but I have yet to see you at any of the community meetings that are held twice a year to address issues member see within the community. This community has had a long standing open door policy in which any and all members are allowed to partake in these meetings to bring up concerns. While you may have been lead to believe that you are not welcome, I promise you that anyone is welcome to attend these meetings to express concerns, ideas, and miscellaneous thoughts. Does this mean that your idea will be unanimously accepted? No, but you will be given the opportunity to express your concerns/ideas and talk through your concerns/ideas with other members of the community. The key here being face to face communication as complaining about something from behind a keyboard is not the appropriate way to handle things.As a result of these face to face meetings, can anything be addressed to correct and guide this community. There will be one of these meetings coming up soon as it is. I would suggest before segregating yourself from this community that you come to this meeting and express your concerns, desires, and help to guide this community instead.

 

 

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This thread has gotten pretty heated already. Going to lock it.

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